Causality is overrated, anyway.
...my brain just twisted into a non-Euclidean solid, thanks to you. >_O;
Basically the premise of TimeMaster by Robert Forward. And yeah. It's messed up.
Been enjoying my LJ from a while back then have you?
Cool. *grin* I can't wait to break people's brains with this.
That's strangely comforting. You really don't think we're going to get off that easily, do you?
and this is why i both love/hate time travel :)
While I'm not the type to enter "tl;dr" into somebody's comment box (it's rude and crass), I will say that I tried to read that five times, and it just kept confusing me.
Kind of like an itty bitty Silmarillion. This is why I will never write time travel.
I found reading the Silmarillion was a lot easier after I had read Lord of the Rings first (and waiting four years or so... first attempt in seventh grade did NOT WORK OUT.) *eyeshifts*
But alas, like all things, it's not for everyone o.o
Eschaton immanentized, then? That's kind of what knowledge of infinity would have to be, anyway. The only thing left is lying to yourself about it, so you can still enjoy your beer.
It'd be nice to see everyone show up; to hear what my forty year old self would have to say. To see my grandkids bringing their grandkids through the tunnel and seeing that, yes, we're still a good looking line of people... :)
love how you made it at "tunnel" like the 60's TV show -hmmm...
how 'bout this "smiles my friends, smiles...welcome to fantasy island!"
The amazing thing is that if it starts happening, give humanity a generation or two and we'll probably get used to it.
How would you decide which authors/artists/musicians., etc had stolen their ideas from each other then?
Have you seen Primer
? It's an awesome indie SCi Fi movie, shot on a shoestring budget ($7000) that explores this kind of time travel.
So brilliantly convoluted yet logical.
2007-04-15 02:45 am (UTC)
ain't no gotlib speakin' right now
Rhââaaaahhh llovely !
except for Francis Fukuyama's final ejaculation.
...Who gets to be the first sentient being who steps into the twin beams of supercooled light?
The greatest caveat regarding time machines is the possibility of one's brain meeting one's intestines somewhere in the middle. At the same time.
2007-04-15 03:10 am (UTC)
I'll take eight.
actually that makes perfect sense.
Though i was looking forward to future travelers being sent back with those barb-wire enemas you'd mentioned.
The same thought occured to me too.
I've been looking for an alternative to the usual Zen koans in which I usually engage. This works nicely. The sound of my mind breaking at least means it's being challenged.
Now back to pushing buttons at the TV station...
I wonder about the "time travellers from all over the future" problem. Sounds like there wouldn't be too many of these machines around in the first place, and each specific machine is/would be "tied" to itself (and only itself) in time travelling.
It's not a stretch to think that creating such a time machine that would be effective in any way, i.e. sending/receiving large amounts of information/objects/Henry Kissinger would be astonishingly expensive. So if it took billions, trillions, of dollars to make one of these machines, only those with such economic resources would have it. And the only organizations I can think of are not ones I'd like in charge of said time machines...
Yeah, thanks for the good night there, Mistuh Ellis... AH GOD HENRY KISSINGER IS IN MY BEDOPKE_}!@#!@!+...,ldq
Heisenberg's uncertainty finally resolved. I'm sure he'd be happy to hear about it, except that it's too late for him.
Ted Chiang has just written a novella called The Merchant and the Alchemist's Gate
(out from Subterranean Press in July), that works along these same principles, only he couches his tale in Middle Eastern alchemy that gives the story a more fantastical tinge. It treats the future as absolutely unchangeable, although the characters glean new insights upon traveling there.
So these time travelers show up and witness the end of history????
Naaah- more like they just show up at historical 'hotspots' where there's those kodak 'great place for a pictue' signs in red on a yellow background and that'd be about all... who'd really care about the wednesday before the Pope get's arrested for blowing Sheik whats-his-name (not that he got arrested for blowing him, just arrested for selling the likeness of 'the Pope' without the vatican's permission) when you could show up the day he avoids the arrest and cleverly hangs himself from his majestic papal balcony in full elvis regalia?
-thank you very much huh huh- thank you
p.s. stop looking at me like that- mmmm, those eyes!xoxo
of course 'selling the likeness' on the UNEDITED SEXTACULAR VIDEO of above mentioned acts performed of old Shiek Whats-his-name!
My denseness is missing something here - wouldn't the simultaneous part only apply to the travelers who chose to travel to look at the big ball of string? And, if they are in the past then they wouldn't be in the future at the same time so they would become history not future - in the future they would be busy being tourists - an indifferent outcome. The distinction of when might cease to be material but duality wouldn't materialize...